Because this is, for whatever reason being discussed again in the tags, here’s just another reminder to everyone, and especially to my fellow survivors who see themselves in Jasper:
SU has /never/ been ambiguous regarding who was in control of malachite. It was undoubtedly Lapis up until SWI, and even then you could say she and Jasper were working together to fight the CGs. Abuse by definition NEEDS to have a power imbalance between the victim and abuser. Jasper was never allowed that power, while Lapis is always described as the one who was in control, therefore Lapis was the abuser and Jasper was the victim.
Victims aren’t always good people. Jasper is very much a victim of circumstance, both from the war and from Malachite. Yes, she’s abusive, but towards the corrupted gems, and has yet to be given a chance to unlearn her toxic behaviors. She’s a messy victim, she’s aggressive and angry, and there are so many survivors who act like this; and guess what, they’re still victims. Having “ugly” symptoms and feeling affection for your abuser does NOT make you the abuser of the relationship. It doesn’t undermine your abuse and certainly doesn’t justify it, no matter what vitriol this fandom tries to spew at you because you see Jasper as the victim.
Abusers aren’t always going to be your enemy. They aren’t always going to be bigger than you, or physically stronger. They can be friends or family or “beach summer fun buddies”. They can be nice sometimes and absolutely terrible other times. And they can also have traumas of their own. This doesn’t change or excuse the fact that they’re abusive. Lapis is this kind of abuser. She was the one holding the chains, the one who acknowledges her own power (and fears being placed in positions of control because of it), and the one who regrets her decisions and is trying to stop being abusive.
Frankly I don’t care about protagonist centered morality enough to even consider Steven’s point of view regarding Malachite. I don’t care what the CGs in the show have to say about the situation because regardless of how much of a “terrible” person Jasper is, it’s presented clearly to us who was the one being held in chains against their will. I also cannot be bothered to care about your definitions of “lashing out” or, “self-blaming”. Lapis made her intentions painfully clear that this was for revenge and wanting to take out everything on someone. She doesn’t love the earth nor does she want to play nice with the CGs. So don’t even try to tell me this because I’m frankly just /tired/ of being reminded that you people don’t actually care about victims if our behaviors or coping mechanisms are “wrong” to you.
Also, of the 2 years that I’ve been involved in this hell fandom I’ve yet to see Jasper fans attack the inboxes or posts of Lapis fans to the same extent that the reverse has been done. Jasper fans don’t spread ugly rumors about Rebecca Sugar’s abuse history either, so it’s pretty ironic that WE’RE the ones who condone abuse isn’t it?
tl;dr: You’re honestly disgusting if you’ve EVER tried to make a victim feel bad for liking Jasper, and I sincerely hope you grow up some day and learn that it’s not worth it to harm real people and survivors for the sake of a cartoon. And if you’re a victim who relates to Jasper, believe me when I say you aren’t alone and you aren’t a bad person. Keep doing you. ✌️
Hey uhhm who imprisoned Lapis against her will and then forced her to be a fusion under threat of shattering before all of this? THAT’S the power imbalance being exploited. A physically and legally powerful captain kidnaps, traps, and tortures her for information but she’s the abuser.
As far as Malachite: she could either be a fusion or die. The fight was over and Jasper had won. If she was put on the losing side, she would be shattered like the other crystal gems would have been. This is example two of an exploitation of a power imbalance. The definition of abuse.
If she was going to be forced to be a fusion, she was going to make her other half suffer. Of course that’s not healthy and pretty toxic– but claiming her to be The Abuser for this alone implies that she had a choice other than fusing and keeping Jasper from inflicting harm on people (read: Steven) she cares about. It WAS revenge–for being abused. It was not healthy and it was violent and toxic and abusive behavior. But abusive behavior is different from being the aggressor in an overall abusive relationship. Writing her off as an abuser and Jasper as the victim only is disgusting and ignores the entire context of the fusion.
“i have not seen attacks from Jasper f–” wow idk what circles you travel in then bc I’ve seen nothing but hatred from that side.
And I’m saying this AS an abuse survivor. No victim is wrong for identifying with Jasper. Both characters have been subjected to awful things. Bur it’s not wrong to identify with Lapis either. When recovering from abuse, people don’t behave rationally and are known to be violent and toxic and adapt to have abusive behaviors during and after a relationship. That doesn’t mean they aren’t victims. It means they adapted to have abusive behaviors.
Abuse survivors should still be able to identify with Jasper. She did powerlessly suffer at the hands of another. But reducing the situation to “Lapis is an abuser and Jasper is a victim” is dishonest.
sorry this is super long but I wanted to address some of your points:
Hey uhhm who imprisoned Lapis against her will and then forced her to be a fusion under threat of shattering before all of this?
literally no one, that’s not what happened. jasper threw her in a cell because she found out that she was hiding information to protect a known war criminal.
jasper did force her into that situation by grabbing her, but she did not force her to fuse, and she never threatened to shatter her.
people keep saying that jasper would have shattered her if she said no. but look at jasper’s actual pattern of behavior. she tried to manipulate lapis into fusing with her, and when lapis told her no? she kept pressing, insisting that lapis didn’t have to worry. things would be better this time because she changed (which in the context of saying that right after lapis admitted that she hated her and enjoyed taking everything out on her translates to “I’ll stop doing things that make you mad”) and saying that she’s the only one who can handle it. she blames “rose” and tried to shatter “rose”, but didn’t attack lapis. when the corrupted gem unfused with her she tried to make it stay by saying “we can beat them if we stay together” and trying to fuse again (which fails, which is evidence that jasper can neither force a fusion nor force it to stay together if her partner does not want to even if she tried).
you can say that she’s manipulative and exploitative. both of these things are horrible! but she isn’t as bloodthirsty as the fandom thinks. she does not threaten to kill gems that she sees as her allies. if lapis had told her no at the beach, she probably would have kept trying to “convince” her. and if that failed, she probably would have tried to force the fusion but again, we’ve seen that when she tries to force a fusion with an unwilling partner she can’t fuse and she even if she could, she can’t hold the fusion together. and I don’t even know if she’d get that far before lapis pulverized her with a giant water fist or steven and the crystal gems stepped in.
A physically and legally powerful captain kidnaps, traps, and tortures her for information but she’s the abuser.
there is literally no evidence of jasper torturing her for information. that’s all fanon because they used the word “interrogation”. there is literally no evidence of jasper kidnapping her either. in fact, lapis actually says that peridot is the one who’s responsible for bringing her back to earth and also peridot is the one who “used” her for information.
and yes, lapis is “the abuser” because she used her powers to keep jasper in the living embodiment of the worst relationship imaginable because she felt the need to have total control over something or some one. she also admits that her hated her and liked taking everything out on her. that’s a thing that abusers do.
As far as Malachite: she could either be a fusion or die. The fight was over and Jasper had won.
If she was put on the losing side, she would be shattered like the other crystal gems would have been. This is example two of an exploitation of a power imbalance. The definition of abuse.
I’ve already covered how that was not the case. this was not a life or death situation.
also jasper had won? seriously? garnet threw her into the ships engine which then violently exploded. she was barely able to walk after pulling herself out of the rubble. the crystal gems were there, and more importantly she was right next to the ocean. you’re telling me the same gem who could steal the ocean and instantly conjure up water clones that nearly beat all of the crystal gems with a severe crack in her gem, and could punch jasper into the stratosphere the second she charged at steven was somehow powerless against jasper when she was right next to the ocean?
and again, if we’re going to drag out the definition of abuse, malachite was a relationship. rebecca specifically states that she is a toxic relationship. in this toxic relationship, lapis held jasper against her will, held all power and control over them, isolated them from anyone who could try to break them up, took her anger out on her, because she wanted revenge and she wanted to feel in control. no matter what you’ve been through, no matter how sympathetic you are, no matter how mean the person is, if you willingly enter a relationship with someone for the sole purpose of having total power and control over them because you hate them, want to take your anger out on them, and want to feel in control, and will isolate yourself from everyone to make sure that they can’t escape- you are an abuser. full stop. it really is that simple.
“i have not seen attacks from Jasper f–” wow idk what circles you travel in then bc I’ve seen nothing but hatred from that side.
there are hateful people in every fandom. but I’ve never seen a jasper fan go after and harass people he way I’ve seen lapis fans do. I’ve been called an abuse apologist multiple times, have been told I must not know what real abuse is, people shit their negativity on my posts all the time. and you know specifically after alone at sea lapis fans started a rumor claiming that lapis was rebecca’s “coping character” and that “jasper is based off her abuser” and used that info to send messages specifically targeted at jasper fans who talk about being abuse survivors telling them that they’re “personally harming” rebecca sugar unless they “admit” that jasper was an abuser and “lapis was toxic but never abused”.
that’s the kind of nasty shit we’re talking about. and no, I’m sure there are assholes in the jasper fandom and I’m sorry you’ve had to experience that, but the point still stands that I have not seen that specific, emotionally manipulative bile come from jasper fans.
Abuse survivors should still be able to identify with Jasper. She did powerlessly suffer at the hands of another. But reducing the situation to “Lapis is an abuser and Jasper is a victim” is dishonest.
it is not dishonest. lapis took total power and control over someone else and used it maliciously. jasper being an asshole to her first (yanking her around and attempting to manipulate her) does not change that. and that’s what op meant when they said that “victims are not always good people”. jasper is a bully. she is not a nice person, and you can certainly argue that she is not a good person either. but that doesn’t make her any less of a victim when she was forced to be in a terrible relationship because lapis wanted to feel in control and liked taking everything out on her.
and yes, it is a complicated situation. and I’m not going to fault anyone for relating to lapis. and I agree that people should be able to identify with both of them. heck, even if the situation were completely unambiguous people should be able to identify with both. because ultimately how someone relates to fiction is a very personal thing and seeing yourself in the “wrong” character harms no one.
today i found out that victor hugo has had more sex than possibly almost any other human that has lived on this planet.
he had so much sex his biographers straight up gave up trying to document all of his sexual partners. he was reported to fuck up to 3-9 times a day. He had a secret sex diary written in code. He had “official” and “unofficial” mistresses. One estimate was that he had ~200 sexual partners in two years.
Icon.
don’t forget that on the day of his funeral all the brothels in Paris were closed because every single prostitute in the whole goddamn city was busy mourning him
Hey quick question what the fuck
the man reported on his hookups in his diary using latin code words and 2 million people attended his funeral, if that isnt balling idk what is
so apparently the Steven Universe fandom is coming after Jinkx Monsoon because they are voicing a gem and they are a drag queen and they assume all drag queens are transphobic men…..conveniently forgetting that Jinkx is actually genderfluid……….and that trans drag queens do actually exist…….stay classy Steven Universe fandom
hey like, if you happen to do something abusive because of your mental illness
you still gotta apologize for it????
you still have to accept responsibility???
you can’t expect the people around you to just suck it up when you hurt them because you’re mentally ill.
spiraling further and self-deprecation/calling urself a monster also isn’t an apology. an apology does not involve another person comforting you for your harmful actions.
same with claiming that you are a failure and are doomed to never change or improve. Apology should not involve the other person comforting you and rooting for you, and essentially being your cheerleader.
Same if you claim that not doing abusive things to someone repeatedly is “so hard” while also refusing to examine your behavior, to create a plan of action to help you cope with your mental illness in a healthy way, or by refusing to seek help in any shape or form. Twice as bad if you expect the person you abused to be your mental health therapist/processor.
@ the people purposefully torrenting dream daddy just because they don’t want the game grumps to have their money: your money isn’t going to the game grumps!! it’s going to a team of lgbt writers and artists who worked hard to make a game they cared about that’s inclusive and sweet! you’re all really nasty people who care more about being petty than an lgbt game doing well and please kindly stay the fuck away from me!!
you should know by now that boycotting “problematic” things that strive for inclusivity doesn’t at all send the message you intend to send
These swimming pools with black tiles are my aesthetic.
Make the black tiles out of that black material that absorbs all light and swim over the void.
Fun fact about Vantablack- Because it absorbs all light, it heats up very fast. If exposed to direct sunlight, it takes in all the UV and heat and contains them, and can reach heats well over 212°F, the boiling point of water. So if you did coat the pool in that material, the water would boil as soon as the sun touched it, killing everyone swimming in it.
But that’s not all. The flash boiling of an entire pool of chlorinated water would release the chlorine as gas, which would kill everyone within a 200ft radius of the pool. And it doesn’t end there.
The release of chlorine gas combined with the heat of the black tiles would be more than sufficient to fuse the boiled hydrogen ions with the chlorine, creating an explosive reaction with the nitrogen in the air. So shortly after everyone in the pool boils and everyone around the pool dies of chlorine gas poisoning, the region would explode with the force of a small atomic bomb (8kt for a pool like those pictured above), leveling about 50 city blocks.
You’d think that would be bad enough, but get this-
Such chemical explosions expel gamma rays. Gamma rays ionize hematite, which is the mineral from which the black material mentioned is made. This creates Scopohyoscpnol, a compound known as “The Zombie Drug” because it essentially erases the brain and induces cannibalistic tendencies in its victim. It can be transmitted through saliva, infecting all who are bitten within hours.
So basically, if you did have Vantablack tiles in your pool, you would boil your friends, poison your neighbors, nuke your city, and condemn the globe to a zombie plague. But to be fair, it would look pretty cool.
somehow @facts-i-just-made-up always manages to reel me in with their good storytelling, and then i look at the url and i’m like “fooled again”
um??????????????? not to be “poor Ivanka” but yeah, poor Ivanka????? i hate this family and nobody deserve parents like hers.
ok guys listen i know we all hate our fascist president and the comments he’s made about his daughter in the past have been weird but are we really fucking trusting deepleftfield.info for reputable and reliable information
